Green Quirk part 5: Electrogravitic Space and Personal Vehicles--Permanent Solutions For a Healthy Environment

    The Future Electrogravitic Sky Rider.                                                                    Source: jamesf63_dftv85m@deviantart

Green Quirk part 5

Electrogravitic Space and Personal Vehicles: permanent solutions for a healthy environment

According to ‘Your Physicist’, “Electrogravitics is a concept that combines elements of electromagnetism and gravity. It is a field of study that explores the possibility of manipulating gravity through electrical charges. The concept has been around since the early 20th century [an effect discovered by Thomas Townsend Brown in the 1920s], but it gained significant attention during the 1950s and 1960s due to various claims and experiments related to anti-gravity.

Electrogravitics is based on the idea that gravity is a result of the curvature of space-time caused by the presence of matter. According to Einstein’s theory of general relativity, the gravitational force is proportional to the mass of an object. Electrogravitics, on the other hand, posits that it is possible to modify the curvature of space-time using electrical charges, which can in turn affect the gravitational force.” 

This blog is about one of the most interesting and intriguing inventions, and controversial inventors’ that exists in the public domain, Otis T. Carr and his working prototypes, the free-energy electrogravitic propulsion crafts. His craft should not be confused with UFOs or UAPs which are covertly connected to the military industrial complex and off-world entities and have no direct connection with the public.

Carr had no real formal education and dropped out of school when he was 13 years old, according to his interview with KTTV's Paul Coats in 1960. His keen interest in the sciences, especially physics, led him to spend many hours in the libraries of Columbia University, the New York University Physics Library, and other libraries. While self-educating, he worked in a hotel as a desk clerk in Manhattan. He met Tesla in 1925 and had many meetings discussing electricity, electrical power, and induction coils. According to Ralph Ring one of Carr’s original technicians, scientists, and test pilots, because of Carr’s interest in physics and his ability to grasp what Tesla was telling him, Tesla saw him as a hopeful to pass his knowledge of free-energy and electrogravitic ideas to a different generation since he failed to implement those ideas because the time wasn’t right. Carr’s relationship lasted until Tesla’s death in 1943.

Carr along with a Yale physics graduate for a period of two and half years before WWII established a lab and through experimentation and research were able to, as Carr mentioned in the 1960 interview, “electrifying a wheel and put it into the air”. From their research, they produced an electrically powered device and with the combination of three forces, electromagnetic, gravity, and electromotive they produced an effect on the craft causing it to become independent of the earth’s gravity. Carr thought there had to be an easier way of getting into space besides using complex and cumbersome rockets, and was inspired by the father of modern rocketry and aeronautics and saucerian, Dr. Hermann Oberth’s comment if man goes into space it would be by an electrically powered craft, circular in design, protected by an electrical wind [force field-according to Carr]. Carr reasoned that space travel was simple and where there is a force field a ship can travel in absolute comfort without friction. Carr also consulted with Albert Einstein on linear correlations in geometric forms and space-time relationships.

A patent application was filed for the spacecraft in 1949 but could only be granted if the craft was anchored to the ground. Carr agreed to file the patent as an amusement craft.   In 1955 he founded OTC Enterprises in Baltimore, MD where he began to raise money to develop the saucer-shaped OTC-X1 prototype. He had shown his plans to America’s largest aircraft company in 1952, indicating possibilities but nothing materialized. Later he met with the US Dept of Commerce, Baltimore Better Business Bureau, and in 1957 the Department of Defence with Brigadier General Conway where everyone showed interest but wanted to see a working model and not plans.

In 1958 he moved to Oklahoma City to build a 45-foot stationary craft at an amusement park ($35,000), and a 6-foot model ($60,000) to be flight-tested while still raising money through the stock exchange to secure funds for his projects. It is in Oklahoma City where Carr started to receive difficulties with the Security Exchange Commission and the negative reporting that followed him. In the 1960 interview with KTTV, he mentioned it had nothing to do with dark forces interfering with his projects. Here is an exert from “The Ring of Truth” of the events Carr had planned in Oklahoma City;

“On April 15, 1959, a ‘launch event’ was held in Oklahoma City with hundreds of people in attendance.  They were told that a prototype disk would rise 400 to 600 feet off the ground.  After several hours delay, an announcement was made that the saucer launch was being postponed due to ‘badly engineered bearings.’  Actually, Otis Carr had been admitted to a hospital with a lung hemorrhage.

.Major Wayne Aho, a former Army Combat Intelligence Officer during World War II, announced that he would pilot the craft to the Moon on December 7, 1959.  The trip would take 5 hours and that the craft would remain in orbit for 7 days before returning.  On June 2, 1960, Carr told an audience of 300 people that it was a ‘treacherous misstatement of fact to say or infer that we [OTC Enterprises] are coming to California to raise money in stock sales.’  The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission [1959 while still in Oklahoma City] had placed an injunction against Carr, barring him from selling stock.  Soon, negative publicity appeared in various publications stating he was a conman.’  True Magazine called him a ‘hoaxer.’”

OTC technicians had meticulously built six OTC-X1 prototypes following Carr’s instructions ranging in size from 1-foot to 6-feet based on the research with his lab partner before WWII. They successfully tested (levitated) and one, the 6-foot model, disappeared into thin air and was never recovered. In 1957-1958 the results of the working models were independently validated by a west coast lab. The central power core of the crafts is a free-energy electrical accumulator (UTRON) while at the same time creating an electromotive force. The electromotive force coils are regenerative coils regenerating the battery. The thermal barrier is overcome by an electromagnetic field that sets up a protective shield around the craft and once outside the atmosphere, it can accelerate to velocities up to the speed of light. Air pressure is maintained artificially similar to that in a submarine. The craft creates its own gravitational field by counter-rotating the electromagnets and the capacitor plates with the crew compartment remaining stationary.

Carr was very reserved with his information in interviews but Ralph Ring one of Carr’s original surviving technicians, scientists, and test pilots, was more open about his experiences with Carr, his dealings, criminal elements trying to put him out of business, and flying the OTC-X1 craft. It’s here where it gets interesting.

Ring had a job with Advanced Kinetics under the direction of Dr. Weinhart. He was a newly hired employee working on a magnetic project which involved taking pictures with a high-speed camera of an electron shot through a field without deflecting either positive or negative. It was an extensive and expensive process funded by taxpayer money. Ring had some knowledge of how nature works and began to question the logic of this whole process and concluded the electrons were being forced using brute force that’s why they deflected. Ring decided to do this experiment at home. He went to garage sales collected the equipment he needed and started to experiment on a small scale with what he was doing at work. He began pulsing the electrons allowing them to go where they wanted to go and to his amazement they went through without deflecting. The process was very simple.

The next bench over from his Advanced Kinetics bench they were working on levitation. The project involved coils with an iron core and copper wiring. Steel balls were placed on top and when high voltage was passed through they would levitate for a few minutes before the coil burned out. This was also an expensive process at $400 (late 1950s) a coil. Ring went home found some equipment at a garage sale and did some experiments using acoustics instead of electromagnetic coils. With a 15-inch woofer and a frequency of around 28,000 cycles, he had a ping-pong ball levitating for several hours. Again, this was very easy and simple. Being excited thinking they might give him a raise he documented the experiments he did at home as he did at work and presented it to Dr. Weinhart.

Dr. Weinhart closed the door “Come in. Sit down." He looked it all over and stuff and he said, "Yeah, I know it's that simple, Ralph. I know that. I know that. But this is a government-funded research facility. We count on the funds to keep us going. We're not necessarily interested right now in finding the answers. We're interested in looking for them [emphasis added]. And we get paid handsomely for looking for the answers." And I said, "Well, here, look. This works. I mean, maybe I don't know what I'm doing and maybe it's not right, but I thought if I turned it over to the boys here we can come together. And this a lot simpler than $400 a copy for igliotrons [coils] and wasting our time with the cathode [tube used to follow the electrons] that you've got set up." And he said, "I can appreciate what you've come up with. And I didn't think you'd get there this fast with this because of your interest in natural law but I'm gonna have to shred this." (He had a shredder right there.) "I'm gonna have to shred this and tell you to go back to work on what you were doing." Well, right there my whole world collapsed. I mean... I thought, "Where am I?"” Exert from Project Camelot, Ralph Ring: Interview transcript.  Shortly thereafter, three guys in black suits [Men In Black] showed up at his door claiming to be from the DeWalt School of Electronics. They wanted to know everything about the experiments he did at home. Ring's wife didn’t trust them and kicked them out of the house. Ring left Advanced Kinetics after a couple of weeks and was introduced to a group called ‘understanding’ founded by Daniel Fry. It was through this group in the late 1950s-early 1960s Ring met Carr and, Carr received new funding from this group for a self-contained lab to continue developing the OTC-X1 prototype at Hespeniain in Apple Valley, CA.

Carr had to be careful where he went. He already had assassination attempts on his life and they were doing everything to keep him from building his prototypes and spaceship. Ring describes his experience with the first experiment in the new lab, a 2-3-foot diameter craft. When started up, the craft made very little noise, just a hum. It was of aluminum (T6 aluminum) construction. Ring could feel surface vibration. Increasing the energy created a feeling that someone had just opened the door to let in a cool breeze. When he touched the craft again it was like jello, getting soft to a point where he could insert his entire hand but, unlike jello, nothing stuck to his hand. There was a tingling feeling that everyone in the room felt.

Carr, Ring and two other associates met with a representative of General Motors in Riverside who they invited to California to discuss their revolutionary ideas.  He was impressed with what he heard during a telephone conversation with Carr and wanted to hear more. At the meeting, Carr had a small disk levitating on the desk that the GM rep’s engineers and physicists studied. They also checked Carr, Ring and the two associates for remote devices and after about 30 minutes were convinced that there was something they didn’t understand but it was working. They said they couldn’t accept it because it's defying known physics. Carr mentioned we can now levitate these machines minimizing damage to the ecosystem. Beginning with the automobile everything could be set up within a year. Eventually, homes and cities can be levitated. There is no end to what could be done. The vehicles would be self-sufficient drawing free-energy with no maintenance. The GM rep got very aggressive saying this will put automotive people out of work. Carr told him freedom from servitude would give people a chance to develop their full potential and become beautiful beings with unlimited creativity. The rep heard enough and told Carr not to go any further with this, and that if he put any of them up there we would shoot them down.

By now Carr was aware he didn’t have much time left before they invaded and closed the lab. The decision was made to ramp up the prototype production and the 45-foot model working 24/7 until the project was completed. One of the biggest challenges they faced was developing a protocol needed to introduce the electrogravity free-energy space or personal craft concept to the public and achieve this before they got shut down.

Carr and his associates built the six prototypes of different dimensions as mentioned earlier, and a 45-foot craft to be test flown with people inside. Ring recalls when they were testing the 6-foot craft he was about to put his hand into it when it disappeared into another dimension. They had no idea where it went and was lost. According to Carr, this was a common occurrence in Tesla’s lab where things would disappear. The 45-foot craft was also completed and could comfortably accommodate three people.

Carr still wanted to do a live demonstration of his 45-foot spacecraft but before that could happen it needed to be tested first. It was this 45-foot craft that Major Wayne Aho was to fly to the moon and remain in orbit for seven days before returning. On the test day, Ring and three others were to climb aboard go down range 10 miles and come back. Carr told the crew before departing to clear their mind, that it would be a strange experience. The brain won’t comprehend what is happening. Use your mind, feelings, and heart, and meditate and go into a focus point to your highest thoughts and feelings rather than worry about what is going on.

They boarded the craft and in the middle of the craft off-centre was a small crystal ball in a gyroscopic holder with a laser shining through from the bottom breaking the colour spectrum into different colours. How Carr communicated to his crew on the craft is unknown. They were told to choose aquamarine as they were collectively focused on the centre point within themselves. The craft was already at the zero gravity point with no contact with Earth [move over Elon Musk-Starship]. Just then the ball closed down focusing on aquamarine. Carr mentioned it was their focus that produced the effect, a mental synergy between the craft and the operators [step aside Elon Musk-Neurolink]. Ring recalls they were waiting for the craft to move and nothing happened. Carr told them to get out and they were actually in the aquamarine area 10 miles downrange from where they initially started. Carr asked the crew to pick up rocks, grass, or anything and put it into their pockets because when they come back they wouldn’t remember where they’d been. They were told to board and come back and went into debriefing.

The crew thought the test didn’t work but when Carr asked them to check their pockets they had rocks, grass, and whatever else they could find; however, no memory. Why? In the excerpt from Project Camelot, Ralph Ring: Interview transcript; Ring paraphrases Carr’s explanation, “...it's simple. Your brain is there to operate your body. You're in a vessel here. It's an illusionary vessel that people don't realize because we're creating it in microseconds. From one second to the other these shutters [eye lids] are opening and shutting, creating all this reality you see around you, but it doesn't really exist. It's all spirit. It's all energy, but we're creating it..... Your brain has a capacity limit. It goes to a certain point of its responsibility and unless it's in touch with the [ Greater] Mind, unless it consents to be in touch with the [Greater] Mind....Unless it gets in touch with that, it doesn't know what's goin' on.” Then there was the time aspect. The crew thought they were gone for 15 minutes but actually, it was only a few seconds. Again Ring paraphrases Carr, “"Well, like, it's simple. People don't realize that Man in a sense created time. Time doesn't exist, in essence. It does when we create it and we have a beginning and an end to something. We call that time. But in a greater reality there is no time."” The crew’s memory did come back sometime later when they remember getting out and picking up rocks, grass, and other items.

To sum up the craft’s operation capabilities from Carr and Ring’s description, once it reached a zero gravity point it was free from the Earth’s gravity. It began to synergistically interphase with the crew’s higher universal intelligence. This means the craft is operating in the quantum levels of physics at a much higher frequency coupled to the universal intelligence where the laws of classical physics no longer apply. It had no mechanical steering mechanism only the collective mind of the crew. Aquamarine was an arbitrary colour symbol chosen by Carr that was attached to the distance 10-miles down range. This symbol further connected the crew to the craft creating a focal point enhancing a desire. The craft couldn’t move independently because it needed a motive or desire. The crew held the desire or motive to go 10-miles down range, and the craft moved in that direction and landed as was desired. The crew had the desire to go back when ordered back by Carr and the craft followed their command. Much like the soul animating its physical body. Very enlightened yogis in India’s Vedic Tradition have been known to levitate, disappear and reappear, and travel to distant worlds when the Grand Universal Mind, the Absolute, and the physical body are one. Everything in the universe is vibrating at a certain frequency and it’s tapping into these frequencies that creates the desired effect. It’s like a receiver tuning into a radio station. The craft was state-of-the-art and required an evolved intelligence to understand its operational capabilities. And no, Carr and Tesla were not aliens they were humans like you and me.

Everyone was quite excited, and the test was successful. Within two weeks after the test, government agents [possibly the US Army] showed up at gunpoint with a cease and desist order to shut the lab down and confiscate the spacecraft. In the debriefing, they were accused of threatening to overthrow the monetary system of the US which was a National Security issue [emphasis added] and they were no longer allowed, under no uncertain terms, to talk to Carr. Ring was convinced and had some evidence that the order to take down the lab came from the international banking system in London, UK. He doesn’t remember signing anything, but agents were watching.

Carr went into seclusion with his health rapidly declining after the lab and equipment confiscation, and died in September 1982 at 78. His spaceship was treated like a captured alien craft and secreted away at an underground air force base. Some people speculate it’s resting at S-4 or Area-51. Ring tried to carry Carr’s work forward but found it difficult without any support. He died in 2022 at 88. 

Tesla, Carr, and those who worked with these physics electrical engineers were ahead of their time and misunderstood by the public and their peers. They were quantum physicists who actualized quantum principles in the building of their physical models and prototypes.

    Otis Carr’s OTC-X1 Spacecraft.                                                                                               Source: Ralph Ring Website

    Carr’s 45-foot spacecraft.                                                                                                               Source: Project Camelot

          Carr is holding a UTRON in his hand.                                                                                Source: Tesla Telegraph

Schematics of the OTC-X1 spacecraft. The UTRONs are the ice cream cone structures with large ends placed together. Source: Project Camelot

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Charles Kuss

2025

Updated: 2-05-2025

Green Quirk part 4: Internal Combustion Engine Efficiency--Permanent Solutions For a Healthy Environment

            

 

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Green Quirk part 4

Internal Combustion Engine Efficiency: permanent solutions for a healthy environment

There have been many inventors over the years who have worked to improve the gas/diesel efficiency of the internal combustion engine and reduce exhaust emissions. These same innovators, to their surprise, have found themselves in direct conflict with the very organizations they thought would support their ideas, the petroleum industry, original equipment manufactures (OEM), and their federal government policing agencies (e.g. EPA, FTC).

Over the years there have been small changes in the carburetor’s efficiency but nothing substantial. A new car in North America today averages about 25.4 mpg (10.6 km/l). The 1908 Ford Model T got between 13-21 mpg, the 1930 Chevy truck about 15-20 mpg, and the 1956 Ford Edsel 13.7 mpg. The only innovation since then is the efficient catalytic converters on engines for emission control but the fuel economy remains roughly the same. The oil companies have tight control over certain aspects of the automobile industry. Greed, consumer consumption, and internal combustion engine efficiency are not in their best interest.

In the 1970s-80s Lt. Col. Charles L. Brown invented a technology to improve gas mileage by humidifying the air intake on an internal combustion engine while at the same time reducing exhaust emissions. He amazed his colleagues with the engine’s increased efficiency of 20-30%. He started selling his technology attracting the attention of the US Federal Trade Commission (FTC) and the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) not knowing of the consequences that followed. One project involving the EPA involved a diesel engine with improved fuel economy and a diesel emission reduction of 23%. In a project with the Maritime Administration using a modified engine on a pusher tug/tow boat, Brown added 20% more horsepower and lowered fuel consumption by 20% while at the same time reducing emissions by 40%. His carburetor not only humidified the air and provided oxygen to the engine it also generated combustion stimulating molecules and radicals in the process similar to what he called a “thunderstorm in a bottle”. Brown had created a new science that was substantiated by various research professionals. The carburetor could be retrofitted on any vehicle and was tested to work with propane, diesel, and gas engines. According to Brown, the big diesel polluters like buses, 16-wheelers, ships, boats, tractors, power plants could benefit greatly from this technology. He even had a deal with an auto dealer who offered his carburetor for free with every American-made car, truck or van purchased.

It appears the government had tricked Brown milking him for his research and test results. After they saw the test results all his test vehicles, and equipment were stolen. The Maritime Administration took all his notes and records and declared their research division eliminated. He had a bomb threat in a hotel where he was staying. His own car while parked at another hotel (Holiday Inn) along with test equipment and a prototype carburetor were stolen in a lighted parking lot. There is no question that he was being followed and his phone monitored.

Unfortunately, Brown’s carburetor never made it into the market and the benefit to consumers was never realized. Lt. Col. Brown, a US WWII veteran, was left bankrupt and died at 86 in November 2008 with his carburetor, research, and test results taken out of the public domain.

The dream to create a high-efficiency carburetor was also the goal of two inventor mechanics, John Robert Fish and Charles Nelson Pogue. Both inventors created a stir in the oil and original parts manufacturing industry.

Charles Pogue was from Winnipeg, MB. He made headlines in 1933 when he drove a 1932 Ford V8 200 miles on a gallon of gas during a demonstration overseen by the Ford Motor Company in Winnipeg using his super-carburetor system. Later, in 1936 the Breen Motor Company of Winnipeg tested the Pogue carburetor on a Ford V-8 Coupe and got 200+ mpg. Winnipeg’s largest auto dealers supposedly tested the carburetor with the amazing results of 216.8 mpg. Newspapers claimed Pogue took his 1929 Chrysler Imperial from Winnipeg to Vancouver on 15 gallons of gas averaging 130 mpg over a distance of 1879 miles. His carburetor was never independently verified but was of interest to the army.

According to a 1945 unnamed source, carburetors marked “POGUE CARBURETOR, DO NOT OPEN” were used by American Army tanks throughout WWII and removed from circulation after the war.

The carburetor’s optimal performance came from ‘white’ gas, gas without additives such as Tetraethyl lead. Additives in the fuel made Pogue’s elaborate carburetor inefficient giving them similar gas mileages to the standard carburetors. Tetraethyl lead had been added to gasoline since 1922 as an antiknock agent, to increase octane rating, and improve engine performance; however, there was a theory, whether conspiracy or not, that lead was added to gasoline to stop Pogue and others from building similar devices. Lead leaves heavy deposits and clogs the device rendering the carburetor inefficient because of their inability to transfer heat to pre-heat the fuel.

The Pogue or Winnipeg carburetor worked by preheating the gas into a vapour before entering the engine's combustion chamber. Here is an exert from Rex Research offering a brief description of the Pogue carburetor:

Charles N. Pogue (April 9, 1935)

This invention relates to a device for obtaining intimate contact between a liquid in a truly vaporous state and a gas, and particularly to such a device which may serve as a carburetor for internal combustion engines, and is an improvement on the form of device shown in my Patent # 1,938,497, granted December 5, 1933.

In carburetors as commonly used for supplying a combustible mixture of air and liquid fuel to internal combustion engines a relatively large amount of the atomized liquid fuel is not vaporized and enters the engine cylinder more or less in the form of microscopic droplets. When such a charge is "fired" in the engine cylinder only that portion of the liquid fuel which has been converted into the vaporous and consequently the molecular state, combines with the air to give an explosive mixture. The remaining portion of the liquid fuel which is drawn into the engine cylinder and remains in the form of small droplets does not explode and thereby impart power to the engine, but burns with a flame and raises the temperature of the engine above that at which the engine operates most efficiently, i.e., from 160° to 180° F.

In my aforesaid patent there is shown and described a form of carburetor in which the liquid fuel is substatially completely vaporized prior to its introduction into the engine cylinders, and in which means are provided for maintaining a reserve supply of "dry" vapors available for introduction into the engine cylinder. Such a carburetor has been found superior to the standard type of carburetor referred to above and to give better engine performance with far less consumption of fuel.

It is an object of the present invention to provide a carburetor in which the liquid fuel is broken up and prepared in advance of and independent of the suction of the engine and in which a reserve supply of dry vapors will be maintained under pressure ready for introduction into the engine cylinder at all times. It is also an object of the invention to provide a carburetor in which the dry vapors are heated to a sufficient extent prior to being mixed with the main supply of air which carries them into the engine cylinder to cause them to expand so that they will be relatively lighter and will become more intimately mixed with the air prior to their explosion in the engine cylinders.

I have found that when the reserve supply of dry vapors is heated and expanded prior to being admixed with the atmospheric air a greater proportion of the potential energy of the fuel is obtained and the mixture of air and fuel vapors will explode in the engine cylinders without any apparent burning of the fuel which would result in unduly raising the operating temperature of the engine.

More particularly, the present invention comprises a carburetor in which liquid fuel vapors are passed from a main vaporizing chamber under at least a slight pressure into and through a heated chamber where they are caused to expand and in which droplets of liquid fuel are either vaporized or separated from the vapors, so that the fuel finally introduced into the engine cylinders is in true vapor phase. The chamber in which the liquid fuel vapors are heated and caused to expand preferably comprises a series of passages through which the vapors and the exhaust gases from the engine pass in tortuous paths and in such manner that the exhaust gases are brought into heat interchange relation with the vapors and give up a part of their heat to the vapors to cause their heating and expansion.” Diagrams, upgraded versions, and more details can be found at Charles Nelson Pogue: US Patent #1,759,354 ("Carburetor").

In 1936 Pogue’s Winnipeg carburetor caused oil stocks to crash making him a worldwide legend and a media sensation. He upset the Toronto Stock Exchange, the major oil companies, and carburetor manufacturers. He was threatened several times, workshop broken into a few times, models stolen, and received pressure from both the US and Canadian governments. In the mid-late 1930s, according to some articles, Pogue tired and frightened surrendered by selling to the large oil companies his carburetors, plans, and research. Everything was placed into the trunk of a Pierce Arrow and taken away. He stayed in Winnipeg until after WWII when he moved to Montreal producing oil filters for heavy machinery. Pogue became very secretive and reclusive refusing to talk to media and reporters. Mystery surrounded his dealings, financial backers, and sales numbers. The legitimacy of the media reports is also questionable. He continued experimenting with carburetors under the “Winnipeg” name until 1952. The Winnipeg carburetor saw limited production. Pogue returned to Winnipeg in 1973 after his wife died and remained there in a secure retirement home until his death in February 1986 at 88.

John Robert Fish was an American inventor and mechanic with a much simpler carburetor design than Pogue’s more elaborate model. The simplicity of the model made it easier to manufacture and maintain. It had enhanced atomization capabilities and some claim it delivered up to 200 mpg. Just with the Pogue carburetor, Fish’s design lacked independent verification. The general claim is that Fish’s model achieved 20% better gas mileage and 30% more horsepower and could be mounted on many different engines. An exert from an online publication, Ross Carburetors, gives an idea of how Fish’s design worked:

“The Fish Carburetor was originally invented by John Robert Fish in America in the early Thirties. The carb works on pressure differential – not air speed, which means that it is almost instantly self adjusting & self compensating so any change in weather or altitude requires no adjustments or modifications as with conventional carbs. Hence all round suitability for cars, boats, aircraft, mountain or pressure charging use.

Instead of the usual one main fuel discharge point within the carburetor, the “Fish” has from SIX to TEN leading to vastly superior atomization and therefore much improved vaporization and since wet fuel DOES NOT burn (only the vapor), better and more complete combustion is ensured enabling more power to be extracted from the same amount of fuel.”

The Fish Carburetor Company of Daytona Beach between 1947 to 1959 manufactured over 125,000 high mileage carburetors. During this time the company had various financial and production problems. There were attempts to disrupt Fish’s business by big oil and original equipment manufacturers. Dirty tricks including mail stoppages were employed by the sinister forces to stop his cash flow and put him out of business, but Fish kept going selling his carburetors to individuals and wealthy big game fishermen. During this time he befriended the famous stock car legend, Fireball Roberts. Fireball drove the original M-1 car and a Fish carburetor in place of the big 4-barrel “Works” carb that everyone was using. Fireball with his out-of-date car left the other racers standing and frequently won the trophy. His race car tires repeatedly developed mysterious problems which did not happen for racers using the “Works” original equipment carburetor. Fish also sold his product in Canada and Europe. After he passed away in 1958 the design was licensed to a firm that later folded, and from 1981-1996 a version of the Fish carburetor was manufactured by Brown Carburetor Company.

Another researcher, Dr. David Yurth co-founder of the Nova Institute of Technology, Salt Lake City, UT developed a corona discharge gas plasma disassociation system (CDGPDS) that broke down CO2 and eliminated vehicle exhaust fumes before they left the tailpipe. The device can be retrofitted to any internal combustion engine on the planet. It uses less than 20 amps of current with no modifications to the vehicle’s electrical system. The technology is lightweight, low cost, energy efficient and can be adapted to gas vents used in refineries, incinerator exhaust stacks, and implemented in more than 100 uses.

According to Rex Research, the “CDGPDS™ incorporates proprietary plasma generating devices with high speed switching circuits to create what is known as a fracturing field inside a pulsating plasma chamber located within the exhaust system. The fracturing field breaks down or "dissociates" carbon dioxide and other pollutants within the device itself, thus eliminating the problem before it manifests. Dr. Michael Kralik, Senior Physicist and Chief Science Officer for Nova: states "Carbon dioxide molecules behave according to a well-known set of harmonic resonances which generate the fields that attract and bind the oxygen atoms to the central carbon atom. By subjecting the gas to intensely dissonant field effects, we are able to disrupt the spin polarity and oscillation frequencies that bind the atoms together."”

This is an amazing technology which suggests it can disrupt the spin polarity and oscillation frequencies of any atom and break any pollution molecule down to its basic elemental components.

A web search found active research into corona discharge disassociation of CO2, but nothing on the manufacturing and distribution of Yurth’s CDGPDS device. It may be in use commercially but not available to consumers.

A coworker in a retail outlet where I worked had an American uncle who produced a 150-200 mpg carburetor that also preheated the gas into vapour before entering the engine’s combustion chamber. Whether it was similar to Pogue’s device, and the time period involved I have no idea. One day his uncle and the carburetor mysteriously disappeared and were never seen again. Sometime later, while still working at the same retailer another coworker mentioned he knew of someone who just bought a new truck and was amazed at the superior gas mileage. Shortly thereafter he got a call asking for his truck to be returned in exchange for a new one for the next three years. The exchanged truck had very poor gas mileage compared to his first vehicle. The discussion was interesting, it meant that there are handpicked people or organizations getting vehicles with higher mileage carburetors than the average consumer.

With the increased popularity of electric vehicles and the rise of fuel prices at the pump, fuel economy would be an excellent selling point in getting people to keep or buy gas vehicles; however, it appears the oil companies are willing to cut their own throats with their arrogance and stubbornness than to give the consumer any leeway on improved fuel mileage.

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Charles Pogue Carburetor Cutaway                                                                                                 Source:Hagerty Media

 John Fish Carburetor                               Source: just a car guy

Charles Kuss

2025

Updated: 2-01-2025